I hardly doubt they will beat or undo his actions simply by physical force. Before Thanos arrives, the group begins formulating a plan to defeat him. In the prime MCU, Strange gave the Time Stone to Thanos after the Mad Titan stabbed Tony Stark, only leaving the villain one Infinity Stone short of completing the set as he left Strange, Stark, Spider-Man, and four of the Guardians of the Galaxy on Titan. As a result, Doctor Strange hands over the Time Stone to the villain, allowing Thanos to take one step closer to wiping out half the universe. Could MCU Thanos with 4 stones beat Dr Strange with just time stone, without WIS/PIS? Now, Thanos has been seen in various projects sinceEndgame,albeit through nods like the connection to his brother Eros in Eternals or potential tiesto the Guardians of the Galaxy in Thor: Love and Thunder. ), -No Ant man still? But while some have laid the blame for all that chaos at the feet of certain heroes, things might have worked out for the best, given how dangerous things could have gone for the heroes. grave and saved an incalculable amount of lives. A place to discuss Plotholes, Continuity errors or even unexplained events for Movies, Books, Games, or anything else you can think of, Press J to jump to the feed. Warning - the rest of this article contains spoilers for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Strange to truly conjure up what he would consider to be a victory from the situation.". I mean if everyone has a 50/50 to live or die one could argue that the one in 14 million is the exact set of circumstances that those individuals get you be exactly ever the needed to. So, if the non-time stones are independent of time, then they could theoretically be able to act outside of normal time and perhaps their combined power lacking time could give their user their independence from time. Of course, this is just my speculation and I would be glad to hear your thought even if to be proven wrong :-). Strange himself used the time stone to trap Dormammu and his dimension in a time loop. Doctor Strange used the Time Stone and saw the one (and only) path to victory over Thanos. And what of the titular "endgame" itself? Fantastic, and Doctor Strange stopped Thanos from completing the Infinity Gauntlet and wiping out half of all life. All rights reserved. His best shot would be with the reality stone, but I felt the reality he projected were more of an illusion than actual reality-wraping (otherwise he could re-shape the whole universe with just that one stone instead of having to collect all six), while illusions would work on almost everyone on avengers, being a master of mystic art, Strange MIGHT be able to see through it, especially if he had prep/forseen it. Since Thanos exists inside the time, his memory will be reset, therefore the time loop won't make him tired and fall like it did to Dormammu. Not all powers work the same way on everyone. A victory for Strange is probabaly something akin to: Defeating Thanos, while also having a way to save countless others, while also not opening the door to allow other powerful beings to come in and get the stones. Marvel Reveals How Doctor Strange Could Have Beat Thanos With Time, The MCU's Next Big Villain Just Handed Thanos His Most Shocking Defeat, Captain Marvel Is Stronger Than Aquaman - Even Underwater, Star Trek's New Spock Upgrade Totally Changes His Vulcan Biology, Wolverine Cosplay Proves His Comic Costume Is Terrifying in Live-Action, Calvin And Hobbes: 10 Facts You Never Knew About Bill Watterson's Comic Strip. Dormammu was ignorant of the stones and how they worked and how to use them. 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And maybe (and apologise for the cross fandom mention {HP}) Strange is only worthy of possessing one of the infinity stones and not mess up everything - but again, new Spider-Man trailer seems to imply hes not worthy of the time stone either. The stones would've just kept being a thing otherwise. He didn't show up to the first fight anyways, don't know if he would be there for this newer hypothetical fight. While Strange could control time with the Time stone, Thanos could control reality with the reality stone. Around the time of Infinity War, Earth was very close to having a population large enough to produce enough power for the emergence. Doctor Strange In the Multiverse Of Madness, who continues to make his presence felt through Phase 4, like the connection to his brother Eros in, Professor X, Captain Carter, Maria Rambeau, Black Bolt, Mr. Because out of 14 million possible outcomes there was only 1 where they succeed, and it wasn't by Dr. The power and space stones can kill or bfr Strange but can't undo time loop (evidented by the Domarmu battle), the soul stone is featless (as far as I can remember). Also, The Ancient One mentions that she can't see beyond her death so there may have also been some in that 14 million which they did succeed but Strange died before seeing that possibility and so counted it as a fail. Let's be real here: Dr. Strange affected freaking Dormammu with his atomic manipulation , if Dormammu had hard time against it, then Thanos has no Many have assumed the Sorcerer Supreme is playing a long game, one that extends beyond his death at the snapof the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet after viewing over 14 million possible futures (14,000,605, to be precise) before his fight, though it is unclear how this will ultimately unfold in Avengers: Endgame. People may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. @kell_saloks: I don't think Strange can use another spell while doing time-stop. Fantastic, and Doctor Strange, Eitri the Dwarf made for him on Nidavellir, the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need, because he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme of his universe yet, making the Stark tech gauntlet, and bringing everybody back to life, Tony snapped his fingersand sacrificed himself to kill Thanos, Iron Man: Disney Releases Never-Before-Seen Post-Credits Clip Online, Mario MOVIE Director Confirms Princess Peach's Role Reversal. None of the other allies can die. Marvel made it clear then that whosoever wields the Stones will always have the advantage as Warlock was able to When Iron Man and Spider-Man boarded the ship to save Dr. His victory in Avengers:Infinity War ultimately comes down to his sheer force of will and ability to do what the Avengers and Guardians wouldn't to achieve his goal. By venturing across the multiverse and weakening the walls separating different timelines, Strange was single-handily responsible for this event, to the horror of himself and his friends. Given that number, it's likely he saw many large events that go beyond just the Snap. WebDoctor Strange did indeed use the Time Stone to beat Thanos. Even if they'd cut off his arm, taken the Gauntlet, or if Strange had somehow trapped him in Dormammu's dimension, the Soul Stone would have remained loyal to Thanos, and rescued/saved/healed him from any such fate. 14 million is closer to zero than it is to infinity. There may be only one way to do that. Yes, the other stones could be used to stop Strange, but only once he has time to actually use them, which he wouldn't. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! So, even if the reality stone or space stone could be used in ways to counteract the time stone, Thanos himself would need adequate time for his body to actually respond to the stimulus, which he wouldn't be able to do with time stopped/slowed significantly. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone ( no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. What i'm curious about is why strange didnt use the time stone from the past to restore his own so that future threats like dormmamu wont be a problem. Redditor Thomascgalvin suggests that, while viewing the alternate futures, Strange came to the realization that Thanos' use of the Infinity Gauntlet's full power was a one-time only feat. RELATED:Avengers: Endgame Toy Offers Clear Look at Iron Man's Quantum Armor. With that in mind, Strange was counting on Thanos using the fully-powered Gauntlet to render it useless following the snap before posthumously enacting his master plan to somehow undo its effects. It's a worse version of seeing the future and then picking a path bc he's actively in combat where high pressure can mess things up. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Endgame revealed that this included the Avengers discovering time travel, going back to get the Stones, making the Stark tech gauntlet, and bringing everybody back to life before Tony snapped his fingersand sacrificed himself to kill Thanos. Seeing that this battle is as important as it is Dr. Strange can see The Watcher without infinity stones. One Redditor shared, "Having rewatched Avengers: Endgame, I have come to the conclusion that allowing Thanos to obtain all of the infinity stones was the only way for Dr. Stopping someone like Thanos would always take sacrifice, and the ultimate cost of Endgame at least wasn't an entire reality. This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. Thanos should still win, although he'd have to try much harder. On-screen stone feats only. @user189728 Considering Dr. Thanos will do what he is supposed to do every time and Dr. 8 Doctor Doom. Hence I'm very curious if there are any possible combos/changes that four stones could overcome the power of time Stone and foresight. Strange also doesn't like stark, possible he chose the first one stark dies lol. "Oh, we win in 1 of 14,000,000 scenarios? You can follow him on Twitter @samstoneshow and ask him about Nintendo, pop punk, and Star Trek. In 2016's Doctor Strange, Stephen uses the Time Stone to age an apple forward in time, watching it rot in the span of seconds. While Strange could control time with the One theory I've seen and agree with is that once Thanos had the Soul Stone he was effectively unstoppable as it became sort of like his "guardian angel." During Infinity War, in the battle of Titan, Doctor Strange was denied the opportunity of using his time stone against Thanos due to the (IMO) ingenuine-albeit-cop-out limitation of "one victory out of 14,000,605 possibilities" imposed by the scripted writer/directors. The other key difference between the two situations is knowledge of the Time Stone. However, as the 2016 Doctor Strange film suggested, tampering with time comes with its own costs, including the distinct possibility of Thanos being trapped in a time loop if he potentially attempted to repair the Gauntlet. Theres a reason why Strange didnt use that stone. However the real reason they lost is also the main moral question of the story. Dr. WebWhile on Titan, Doctor Strange and the rest of the gang battle against Thanos (Josh Brolin), ultimately failing to defeat the Mad Titan. With the heroes of the MCU seemingly less conditioned to the bizarre limits of the multiverse, they may not have been able to counter before it destroyed their universe in the process. Does he view the world from a different perspective? It doesn't appear as though any of the other Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy were involved with the battle this time around either, which makes sense considering just how powerful and brilliant the Illuminati's heroes are. Despite being vital in how they beat Thanos, Strange still surrendered himself to his allies because of his crime and didn't even resist when Black Bolt executed him. The snap greatly damaged Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet, and that may prove to be the necessary weakening for the survivors to undo his actions in Avengers: Endgame. Yes, its Thanos. Doctor Strange didn't trap Thanos in a loop using the Time Stone in Avengers: Infinity War, but why? I wasnt paying attention for that specifically the first time. I don't know. Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one They added that after Thanos achieves his goal and initiates the Snap, he destroys the Infinity Stones because no other being strong enough could wield the stones. But with the halving of the population, the emergence was delayed for another five years. During the battle on Titan at the end of Infinity War, it's assumed that Doctor Strange did everything he could to I don't think Strange can traverse universe that easily, or that he could do it at all. With the supporting power from space stone, soul stone and power stone, the effects of time stone won't really help Strange to defeat Thanos. @zezima: logically four power stones should be more powerful than one power stone just by sheer quantity. Rights, lets do that. Attempting to use his magic to find a better way might have set off an Incursion as well. After viewing millions of possible futures, Strange only saw one way to final victory over Thanos and it involved the Mad Titan winning, if only for the moment. Ya, Ive seen one theory saying the power stone over-rules the other stones. Furthermore, in round three when DS is given the opportunity to foresee all possibly future battle outcomes, he would know any potential tactics Thanos might use and thus could effectively steer the direction of battle away from these to ones that are more favourable toward himself. Contains spoilers for Avengers: Mech Strike #4! The turning tide will likely come from the most unlikely source and, with Scott Lang alive and well, the smallest Avenger may ultimately make the biggest impact. The only reason for that is he has the Infinity Stones. Perhaps that needn't have happened if Doctor Strange had used the Time Stone's full powers just one film earlier. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. In Eternals, the Celestial Arishem reveals that he seeded another Celestial within the Earth's core and that it will emerge when they gain "vast amounts of energy from intelligent life." Thus,while he may not have been trying to save Earth specifically, his Snap still would've saved half the population. If yes, how would he overcome the time loop/time freeze? I'm under the impression that four stones should be more powerful than just one. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. KEEP READING: Eternals' Best Twist Was Making Its Superman the Secret Villain. However, the cost would have been far too great to take on. The necessary team-up between Tony Stark and Scott Lang to adapt PymTech also explains why Strange was willing to save Iron Man's life despite his earlier vow not to do so. The pair bicker throughout the entire movie, but we're just supposed to believe that the Master of Mystical Arts wants to save Tony that desperately? It takes the power of all three stones to create the laws of physics as we know them, independently they lack the qualities of the other. Is this the one?" If you are talking about MCU Dr Strange vs MCU Thanos , then Dr strange would win. 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