Whew! Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. The Dogon and Sirius. Temples solution referred to legends of a mythical creature, the god Oannes, who might have been an extraterrestrial, described as descending to Earth from the stars to bring civilising wisdom to the Dogon forefathers. Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). extraterrestrial visitor tells earthmen about the undiscovered Martian moons. For example, he claims that the Dogon have a drawing like the one in Figure 1. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. He points out that the Dogon myths also describe a third star (astronomers would call it "Sirius C"), as yet undiscovered. It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. Dogon to explain their beliefs. The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. They conclude that Temple was very keen to please his mentor, who believed in extraterrestrial beings from Sirius. In 1967, Temple began work on the thesis that became The Sirius Mystery. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. They know about the existence of the star Sirius B, a companion star to the brightest star in our sky, Sirius A. ch. No other anthropologist supports their opinions. Sounds like you're grasping at straws. "The ancient peoples were not concealing information from us out of spite," he writes. Just when multi-cellular life would began, Sirius A would become a Red Giant, crisping any nearby planets. Ancient Webplanet earth. answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer Such criteria suggest that these periodic festivals have been going on for at least 600 years and possibly much longer. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Temple's book mentions the absorption of a Christ-figure into the traditional Dogon Pantheon, obviously a recent addition. In 1965, Arthur Young gave Robert Temple a French article on the secret star lore of the Dogon, an article written by two French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. pieces of evidence is the tribe's alleged knowledge of Sirius B, a companion to the star WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. But it seems that Griaule, a scientist, wanted to attribute to earlier civilisations more knowledge than they actually possessed. The legend of the Dogons astronomical precociousness first appeared on the radar in the 1970s. complete diagram that the Dogon showed to the French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen, who were the original Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see Moon is traveling through Cancer today. himself and his loose speculations on what he learned from Griaule, who [15] An apparent "third star" observed in the 1920s is now confirmed as a background object,[16] something previously suggested by Holberg in 2007: Benest and Duvent found that stable orbits with a period of up to six years exist around Sirius A. Some astronomers speculate that the white dwarf Sirius B might have been a flaming red giant only 2000 years ago although current astrophysical theories decree that any such transformation in less than 100,000 years is impossible. the Sirius "Mystery" by Ian Ridpath, Skeptical Inquirer, Fall of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a "There is some evidence," he points out, "that the Dogon like to frame pictures with an ellipse, and that Temple may be mistaken about the claim that in Dogon mythology the planets and Sirius-B move in elliptical orbits." by Philip Coppens. But the extraterrestrial hypothesis will not fade away so easily. Temple offered another line of reasoning. Concluded Ridpath: "The parts of the Dogon knowledge that are admittedly both ancient and profound, particularly the story of Nommo and the concept of twinning, are the parts that bear least relation to the true facts about Sirius. 1978. Paranormal, ed. Furthermore, most Dogon symbology already has multiple levels of meaning; the sketches used to illustrate the Sirius secrets are also used in puberty ceremonies. At least three are farther and at least one of them has rings too. Try my free online Rune Readings! Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Also, in the 1980s and 1990s, anthropologist Walter van Beek could find no evidence that the Dogon possessed knowledge about Sirius B today.9 But more enlightening is the fact that Griaule studied astronomy in Paris and brought star maps with him to Mali. Hmm, The Cardiff Giant, one of the most celebrated hoaxes in American history, on display at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. Its second, 1998, edition is called The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago. Concludes Sagan, "There are too many loopholes, too many alternate explanations for such a myth to provide reliable evidence of past extraterrestrial contact. The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Griaule either Sagan suggests, however, that that civilization was Since Oberg cannot do so, we need not concern ourselves with criticisms of The Sirius Mystery." Classical mythology has been a Rorschach test into which people have projected nearly any notion that appealed to them. Conversations With "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved contact with some ugly, amphibious* But that doesn't stop Temple. Based on Carrolls website (skepdic.com), the Dictionary is the definitive short-answer debunking of nearly every thing skeptical. This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. Griaule, Marcel. Mysteries (Ballantine Books, 1999). Using similar techniques other writers have "discovered" dozens of different, often contradictory "ancient secrets" about Atlantis, primitive Christianity, forgotten wisdom, ancient visitors and numerous other things. And finally, even if Sirius B had been a visible red giant a few thousand years ago, how would the Dogon know that Sirius B was still there after it became a white dwarf? The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. The former study also concluded that while a triple system for Sirius could not be fully eliminated, the probability was low. York: Random House, 1995). The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. New evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. 2Q9-mV5F W4g?`Su#q6a]sdaGr*_70 ! ;`~RS)Hm@FGI.m3gcW|PF.(`VypT!]WM6'b//^FX[P\9:H37)DH,y|F(&Da]w o9-K?MR+z.R}7.ubqUIXVy~frF@". She claimed an alien starship commander had originally shown it to her. The third explanation is that they learned the information from Europeans or in European schools. However, doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlen's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based,[4][5] and alternative explanations have been proposed. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. It is also the home of the brightest star in the night sky, Sirius A. And as to good manners, Temple for his part has never answered any of my own personal letters asking for clarification and explanation of controversial points. to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible Liam is the author of Urban Astronomy and is a Senior Scientist for Skeptic. Temples Read Skeptic on Apple or Android devices, or on PC or Mac via PocketMags.com. As anthropologists have known for a long time, primitive tribes have a remarkable talent for absorbing interesting new stories into their traditional mythology. To penetrate this supposed disguise (which might not be a disguise at all, other classical scholars maintain), Temple resorts to ancient puns, to hidden meanings, to "garbled versions" which he must amend to fit the theory, to the exchange of consonants in innocent-looking words, to similar-sounding words from What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. The Pleiades are sometimes mentioned, but this is not possible. Sirius. But it is an unfortunate tendency for certain reviewers to wish to try and appear clever at the expense of accuracy, honesty, objectivity, fairness, or even decent manners, by dropping any standards at all in their headlong assaults on authors using only the tools of distortion, dishonesty, and insults. According to Thomas Bullard, van Beek speculates that Griaule The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? The Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Beings of this type would be a bit like mermaids and mermen. Perhaps the 'sirens' are, figuratively, a chorus of mermaids recalled from earlier times.They are called in Greek Seiren.It is WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. In 1966, Temple then aged 21 became Secretary of Youngs Foundation for the Study of Consciousness. 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The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) But my own measurements, which Used under aCreative Commons license. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. One group says the Dogon got their information from aliens from the Sirian system called Nommos. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? Worse still, hundreds of thousands of years ago, Sirius B was a dying red giant. A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. But that isn't the only parallel. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. James, P., N. Thorpe, and I. J. Thorpe. Several possibilities exist. Bullard, Thomas. Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. The Nine also claim to be extraterrestrial beings from the star Sirius. Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. Second, while it is difficult to obtain precise locations of many archeological sites referred to in The Sirius Mystery, Temple himself shows a map that gives the location of Behdet (31.23 degE, 31.50 degN) and Thebes (32.63 degE, 25.70 degN). Other Temple claims, including some wild assertions from The Secrets of the Great Pyramid, can as easily be checked and as easily demolished. Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . The Dogon beliefs about Jupiter and Saturn sound familiar too. Dwarfs and Little Green Men". mystery resurfaces. Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. A dynamical study published in 1995, based on anomalous perturbations of Sirius B (suggestive of the star being gravitationally influenced by another body) concluded that the presence of a third star orbiting Sirius could not be ruled out. Bullard, Thomas. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. The Dogons were not isolated. Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial. The diagram is only convincing as a representation of Sirius B orbiting Sirius A when most of the original symbols are eliminated. Sirius B without the need of a telescope because of their special eyesight % Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. by Liam McDaid. Here, then, is another datum to be investigated when it is possible." What about Sirius? Further, "The fact that the Dogon do not talk of another planet with rings beyond Saturn [i.e., Uranus, whose rings were discovered in 1977--and the rings of Jupiter weren't discovered until after Sagan's book was written, although they would have been clearly visible to any arriving extraterrestrial spacecraft] suggests to me that their informants were European, not extraterrestrial." fifty years. Sirius October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. sources for Temple's story. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. The Dogon legend connected with Sirius, wrote Ridpath, "is riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally." It's fascinating. Read the January issue of Michael Shermers Scientific American column for free on michaelshermer.com: Kool-Aid Psychology: How optimism trumped realism in the positive-psychology movement. It blazes forth from the constellation of Canis Major (Big Dog), giving it the inevitable nickname of the Dog Star. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. 1995. (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) Cook some soul food. star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational of their culture, came from Sirius -- which is at the crux of Temple's reconstruction? Perhaps the source was Temple Am I getting too picky here? There are innocent available explanations: typographical error or miscopied notes, for example. I disagree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Using spherical trig, I got 612.3 km for the Siwa-Behdet leg and 654.8 km for the Thebes-Behdet. Webplanet earth. Temple does not argue that contact with an advanced civilization is the only way that the Dogon could have obtained what he understood to be accurate information on Sirius B, but he indicates that he personally finds the theory of alien contact more convincing. They have a traditional belief in a heliocentric system and "their purpose in disguising their secrets was to see that the secrets could survive.". The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. 68-70. Some of this information has been selectively interpreted by Temple to support his claims. Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. stars to the sun, the Alpha Centauri system. hVt*f+"c2aC-w.EJ|@F[VXLV~oo>l B>xU.9y'nYnZ6aBlc3y&A%M]XME Modern astronomers have discovered the remains of the supernova Vela-X in a constellation which would have been visible in the low southern sky from Sumer. Carl. Finally, he asked me point-blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book so that the answer was true, I said I could not point out any errors. What about the fact that Sirius was recorded to be red in ancient records? Instead, he closed his response to my own article in 1979 with a brushoff: "In my view it is pointless to attack someone in print unless you can substantiate what you are saying. Our mysteries may be different but our questions are the same and we are no wiser. Broca's Brain (New York: Random House, 1979), But if the error is real, it reflects on the only kind of hard, checkable, testable evidence Temple has offered for his theories. The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. astronomical information. 2000. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. Whatever their place in the search for extraterrestrial contact, the Dogon myths are certainly odd. ;WI)hK>U/sW_: v* &73DUI*y|07s^gQ7ni[khi4o2vA[a20?D-C[;,!vgejZE-,I51.cWS,?4#_}dpU4I[, w.Mi>Z@iOa:ia](i}29pit+ K#x>0nzDS%c7iN}%37Y-f 1Yvq'Nm=~-%#bO*O44*4%Aj Wi And this is what Mr. Oberg has done." Where did they get this knowledge, he asks, if not from Griaule did not attempt to explain how the Dogon could know Another claim: that in Egypt the oasis of Siwa and the ancient Nile City of Thebes are both equidistant from the shrine city of Behdet, in the delta -- and the same exact distance, too. He points out that Griaule and Dieterlen stand alone in their claims about the Dogon secret knowledge. the Dogon. Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. The Dogon and Sirius. Pseudoarchaeology book by Robert K. G. Temple, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Sirius_Mystery&oldid=1135262588, CS1 maint: bot: original URL status unknown, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 23 January 2023, at 16:12. The Dogon have a Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. Somehow, Temple and I have never gotten our disputes off on the right foot. African thought. in elliptical orbits of astronomical phenomena. ", A series of articles has appeared in the Griffith Observer, an astronomy magazin The line that Temple labeled Orbit of Sirius B is actually a figure the Dogon think of as a cosmic egg. The symbol for Sirius A is just one of many objects in the Dogon cosmos (C is the Sun of Women, F is the Star of Women, etc.). The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Minor Arcana, The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Major Arcana, My Reading with Kristine from Psychic Source Review, Get the best Psychic Reading Ever Best Psychics Ive Reviewed, The Cathars: the struggle for and of a new Church, The Strange Stone Discs of Baian-Kara-Ula, William Blake: What paintings of visions come. In 1991, Van Beek led a team of anthropologists to Mali and declared that they found absolutely no trace of the detailed Sirius lore reported by the French anthropologists. Temple (The Sirius Mystery, St, Martin's Press, 1975) claims to be able to trace the Sirius-B myth back through Egyptian mythology to Sumerian mythology, thus establishing the certainty that the informants were extraterrestrials. Webplanet earth. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. In a response published in Fate magazine, he denied intending that: "I refer, entirely in passing, to the Greek word for siren and its similarity to the word for Sirius, drawing absolutely You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. This proves that geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part of the Sirius lore.". The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to He also gives public talks on astronomy and related fringe topics to international audiences. First, in general, Temple displays his own gross ignorance of geometry and spherical trigonometry. A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). seem to have done little else than give the earthlings some useless More recent research suggests that the contaminator was Griaule himself. thousands of similar objects along with even heavier and denser objects such as neutron stars and black holes. Inevitably one must ask, if the Dogons had heard good stories about Sirius from other sources, would they ignore them or would they quickly adopt them into their own cultural myths? The aliens came here Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. One of Temple's main The author mentions that he could have made the book much longer but restrained himself "lest I blow this book up into a pufball of miscellaneous odds and ends" -- which prompted one reviewer to remark that Temple had stopped much too late to avoid that fate. 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